Segment 2 of 16 · 4:43–9:09

Embracing Systems Over Goals for Success

The importance of building systems over setting goals for efficiency and success.

From Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328 · Aug 21, 2026

Key points

  • Systems thinking is more effective than focusing solely on goals.
  • Building a system can automate tasks and improve efficiency.
  • Finding the right people for roles can be streamlined with systems.
  • Grockbot is praised for its seamless operation across multiple apps.

What they discussed

The speaker emphasizes the value of systems over goals, highlighting how systems can automate tasks and improve efficiency. They discuss their experience with Grockbot, a tool that has helped them find event staff and other resources without manual intervention, showcasing its robustness and reliability compared to other tools.,The speaker shares their approach to finding co-hosts for podcasts, explaining how they use a system to find and vet potential candidates, considering factors like their political stance and DEI status. This system helps them manage the balance of audience preferences and avoid losing or gaining audience segments based on co-host choices.,The discussion also touches on the challenges of sharing information across networks with other tools, contrasting it with the seamless experience provided by Grockbot. The speaker's excitement about investing in Grockbot and the potential to save significant time on research and guest booking is evident.,Lastly, the speaker reflects on the need for creatives to learn systems thinking and the ongoing quest to develop a 'taste algorithm' that can help systems thinkers understand and apply taste effectively.

Mentioned in this segment

PeopleAlexMolly Wood
CompaniesSkiffPunch BowlCNBCVergeGrockbot
Topicssystems thinkingautomationefficiencyhiringpodcasting

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Transcript of this segment

tell me all the event staff >> because I want to hire some event staff. So I was like, "Okay, let's just figure out who's doing events at other publications." And this thing is just working for me over and over again. and it makes a report on just what people are doing at Skiff, which I'm an investor in, newcomer, Punch Bowl. It found all these for me. I didn't have to tell it to find these. >> And it really is um it feels less brittle, which is weird to say, >> than Open Claw, which was super brittle, broke all the time, can't get on X, can't figure out LinkedIn, >> right? >> This thing is just rock solid. So for me, I am a fan of systems over goals. The goal is to have the best news stories here. The goal is to understand what other people are doing for events and newsletters in case we want to incorporate it into what our plans are. Uh my goal is to find another uh co-host here. Uh Alex is uh you know working on his projects and he's he'll be back for sitting in for me when I'm on vacation from time to time, but I need another co-host for all these pods. you're doing great, but you know, we just need to have a roster. So, I was like, go find me everybody and then uh keep finding them. Figure out, you know, CNBC hosts who are getting laid off or who are no longer there. Find me people who working for the Verge, other places and no longer working there. Find me some talent and then figure out what their I literally had it. Figure out what their politics are, >> right? >> Figure out their DEI status. figure out all this stuff, their point of view, because like literally when you co-host somebody like you now in today's environment, I have Molly Wood on >> I I lose like a third of the audience because they hate her lib stuff. I gain a third of the audience back because she's, you know, hates uh Trump and whatever. Same thing with Alex. Back and forth you. And I'm just like, just give me this overview. >> It's so great. It just gets it done. And then when you get back to your mobile phone, it's the same thing going on. It runs everything in the cloud. >> So unlike Claude Co where you have to have your app open and whatever, it's just running all the time. >> Yeah, we've discovered claude it can be a little cluji trying to share things across networks, across people a lot of times like I can't see that, I can't share that. So far with Grockbot, it is all very very seamless and across multiple apps co collating collecting things. I've been very impressed with it so far. So I'm excited to spend the 200s. >> So this is my little mini talk here. Systems over goals. What does it mean? You have a goal. You want to have uh you want to find another co-host. You um you want to do more events and you want to hire an events production person. Okay. You want to have the best stories. Uh and you want to find uh really interesting speakers for you know founder university and launch accelerator. That's the goal. Okay. What system can you build? And the system I built is for these to go do the research every day real time every other day. Present it to somebody on my team. Have that team member rank them. Put it into a Google sheet. And then we have a whole bunch of other steps we do which I won't get into because it gets kind of boring. But >> if we can remove let's say 10 hours of research a week, 5 hours of research a week and then start with research that's better than human. Okay. Then if when we're inviting people we can have it find them quicker, find their connections, invite them, book them on a date, that's typically three hours of work per guest. Yeah. So finding the guest, every guest equals 5 to 10 hours of research. Every guest equals 3 hours of inviting multiple guests to get them involved. You put all that together. When a guest comes on this program, it represents 5 to 10 hours. The end. Um and and that's what this stuff and that's why goal defining the goal is great, but then it's fine to give your your bot that whatever one you're using, your agent, but you want to build a system that doesn't break and doesn't require a human. uh and the system then ensures it happens. So everybody has to become a systems thinker. What I found is creatives like yourself, Lon, less systems thinking, more systems thinking, less taste. And so now I'm figuring out as a leader how to get the people with taste to learn systems thinking. And I've got to figure out, I don't have a solution yet, have people who have systems to learn taste. And that's going to be the final piece for me is to have that taste algorithm. >> Yeah. you know, which you and I have [clears throat] by default for many years experience at my firm launch. The